Release Date Reminder: Air Jordan 6 (VI) Carmine and 17 (XVII) Black / Silver Countdown Pack
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One of the best Countdown Packs to release is the Air Jordan 6 (VI) Carmine and the Air Jordan 17 (XVII) Black / Silver, equaling the best ever to play the game Michael Jordan’s number. As a friendly reminder, this package will release tomorrow, May 24th 2008. A busy weekend for Jordan Heads.
For the first time, the Air Jordan VI (6) Carmine will Retro, and I know a lot of us are excited, last time they released was 1991. Retail is $310, and if your having problems with purchasing from a local retailer, Kixclusive.com has them, and is ready to ship. Good Luck!
24 May, 2008 | Air Jordan, Sneakers |
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TechNutt said
am May 24 2008 @ 5:51 am
2 words: MUST COPP!
mclovin said
am May 24 2008 @ 6:17 am
First bitches I got 3 of those shit yesturday midnight with a discount so ya niggas should step ya game UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THUG4LYFE said
am May 24 2008 @ 6:22 am
YO I STOLE DEEZ JOINTS FROM DA MALL LAST NYTE SO I GOT DEM FREE. DAT MCLOVIN PAY FOR HIS LMAO STEP YO GAME UP SON.
datkidjig said
am May 24 2008 @ 6:38 am
^^ awwww u too poor to afford to pay for it… im glad i got money so i dont have to do some stupid shit like that
Rob528 said
am May 24 2008 @ 7:36 am
2 packs 4 me, ha ha ,he he beeeeeeotchs.Got a pair on my feet right now,as for the other package,I might sit on those for like 5 years then sell them for $1,000+.One
gibsy said
am May 24 2008 @ 7:39 am
Sweet
Nene33 said
am May 24 2008 @ 7:49 am
WTF, NikeStore.com(Europe) doesn’t carry size 14!?!?!
AAARRGGGHHH
STAYzFRESH said
am May 24 2008 @ 8:48 am
COPPED THESE ARE SERIOUSLY FRESH GOT UP TO EARLY TO MAKE SURE I HAD MY PAIR THEM CARMINES ARE NICEEE
i stay fresh said
am May 24 2008 @ 9:30 am
picked mine up at midnight…got the last pair in my size at the shop i went to
DSTACKA said
am May 24 2008 @ 9:31 am
$260 for me i feel like the shit, and no lines might cop another
jauntae said
am May 24 2008 @ 9:39 am
fire pack.im on mi way 2 copp these now but ima sell the 6’s on ebay cuz they dont luk dat gud.
airjordan2345head said
am May 24 2008 @ 9:39 am
i copped them.the 6s are crazy but the 17s theres something that doesnt feel right.i think the quality sucks.
OneMike said
am May 24 2008 @ 9:52 am
copped 4 of them…but these bitches are going fast!!
23AirRuizIVFlight45 said
am May 24 2008 @ 10:05 am
Dude step your game up!! I got these a week early!!
cw2022 said
am May 24 2008 @ 10:12 am
got mines like an hour ago, im feeling both shoes. add to rest of em
chico said
am May 24 2008 @ 10:16 am
just got mine too.
SonyStyle23 said
am May 24 2008 @ 10:19 am
man I hope these will be in stock!
freddy said
am May 24 2008 @ 10:41 am
Stock? maybee for a couple months but why be so beat to stock em and sell em in 5 years to only make 600 dollars profit.. and whos to say that six years from now people are still going to want jordans. six years to only make about 600 dollars i rather just wear em and enjoy them cause hopefully in 5 years i will be earning enough money to wear only prada, gucci, dior, and Faragamo
I said
am May 24 2008 @ 10:46 am
them 6s are hot…im not really feelin the 17s well they iight!
sNEAkER heAD pURpLE bAYBE said
am May 24 2008 @ 11:32 am
bEST oNEz SEXiii
needin them carmines said
am May 24 2008 @ 12:14 pm
they didnt release em where im @ so get @ me if u selling a pair my e-mail is sneakerfreaker62390@hotmail.com
Cool.Kid.Fresh said
am May 24 2008 @ 12:17 pm
the only ones worth getting are the 6′z like word but mos def will cop and rock the 17′z too but the 6′z will be rocked the most the Carmine’z are just that hot like word up
bobby drake said
am May 24 2008 @ 12:23 pm
man i would stand in line for the carmines alone, the 17’s are like a bonus! the best countdown pack is the 10/13 pack in my opinion
thanks 2 jordan im dead broke wit a mean shoe game said
am May 24 2008 @ 12:45 pm
man i got up at 3 n da morn 4 these….. went 2 da mall copped em n sum niggas tried 2 jump me 4 my package……. i think i broke da world record n da hundred lol…. im touchin niggas souls wit mine ya dig had guys feelings hurt
DONE DEAL said
am May 24 2008 @ 1:35 pm
I Had 2 Get Deez Joints, AYO If U Take Off Tha “Blue Peel” Thing On Tha Back Of Yo 17’s U Strait HOMO!!!!!!LOL!! But 4real If U Copped Deez Bad Boyz, Big Up 2 U Dog!!
p rock said
am May 24 2008 @ 2:06 pm
On some g shit the 17 and 6 package is the flyest fucking pack real talk and da wackest pack is the 2 and 21 but I’m flying like mike in da retro 6s
p rock said
am May 24 2008 @ 2:08 pm
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I’m flying in my retro 6s package
Mike said
am May 24 2008 @ 2:15 pm
It’s about damn time the carmines released. It’s been 17 years, and some of you got the ball’s to call em ugly? You need shot!
Mont 757 said
am May 24 2008 @ 2:25 pm
thats bullsh!t!!!! no size 14’s in Queens or LI…..not yet anyway.
Air23Jay said
am May 24 2008 @ 2:27 pm
man those are sick the the VI,XVIII are cool even the colorway VI look different look light red by the way in when you see it it’s dark red.
dontworryboutthtman said
am May 24 2008 @ 2:30 pm
yo did any1 campout in vegas??
dontworryboutthtman said
am May 24 2008 @ 2:31 pm
yo did any1 campout in vegas???
snkcrz23 said
am May 24 2008 @ 2:43 pm
gross
h,dap brown said
am May 24 2008 @ 2:51 pm
I GOT MINES MUTHAFUKKAZZ NEXT WHOP 16/7
oscar said
am May 24 2008 @ 2:54 pm
these shoes are tight as hell, i got mine today at 8 and they both look fly as hell. I thought the 17’s were not going to be that nice but they are so damn pretty. The 6’s are just holy grails, and anyone who talks shit about the 6’s are just hating cuz they couldn’t get them
DEADSTOCKUMSALLDAYLONG said
am May 24 2008 @ 3:41 pm
no need for a campout…..copped 2x
freshking said
am May 24 2008 @ 3:54 pm
i can tell a lot of u ppl r posers 6s r hot but not the 17s man jb needs to stop changing shoes leave them the way they suppose to be
Karnell23 said
am May 24 2008 @ 4:29 pm
This package is the first rawest pack up to date because those carmines haven’t been released in 18 years and to survive that many years and have a chance to get them now is unbelieveable. God bless everyone who didn’t make these 18 years who wanted these shoes! Represent for them if you got them!
sneakerfiend said
am May 24 2008 @ 4:44 pm
if you gotem you gotem if you dont you dont it dont matter how many you bbought as long as you gotem as i said before no hype beast needed and if you just buy shoes for other people expenses then you buy shoes for the wrong reason
sneakerfiend said
am May 24 2008 @ 4:49 pm
thieves dont get no props im talkin bout you thug4lyfe you a lame to be honest
Moe Money said
am May 24 2008 @ 4:51 pm
i got my pack!!!!
10stacks said
am May 24 2008 @ 4:54 pm
i
thredz said
am May 24 2008 @ 5:15 pm
coped!
h,dap brown said
am May 24 2008 @ 5:33 pm
i wonder did my boy grand puba get to cop a pair i remember hgim rocking these in the who make the loot video with brand new heavies damn i’m getting old… shit!!
J Money said
am May 24 2008 @ 5:52 pm
got em. those Carmines are the truth.
Famelvis said
am May 24 2008 @ 6:17 pm
Got a size 9.5 $400 for sale email: Famelvis@yahoo.com
ben said
am May 24 2008 @ 6:18 pm
im so pissed they didn’t have my size Fuck!!!
i shouldv gotta up earlier
mr. MAGOO said
am May 24 2008 @ 6:23 pm
this dont make no fuckin sense im fuckin broke they wait to put this stuff out when im broke and its not like i had bought any shoes in months
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sneakergeek said
am May 24 2008 @ 6:27 pm
got em thursday
Air jedi said
am May 24 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Got My pack early today and so fresh no rush no lines….only another jordan head in line before me….the 17 are nice more nice than i expect!!!! Looking foward to those “HARES”……Bring it on!!!!!!
d skizz said
am May 24 2008 @ 6:32 pm
fuckin wack, FINISHLINE in TACOMA WASHINGTON had 80 pairs, and they said they’re sold out, this is what happened
50 pairs - Employees
15 pairs - Pre Order
15 pairs - sizes 7 and 13 ONLY
FUCKIN WACK!!!! fuck TACOMA FINISHLINE!!!! LET IT BE KNOWN
Johnny87 said
am May 24 2008 @ 6:49 pm
Got my pair yesterday b4 they release:D
XG said
am May 24 2008 @ 8:21 pm
just got these and the material is just BAD!!! Come on MJ don’t do us like that its $310 for these plus tax you can do better than the bullshit material you’re using please
jrock said
am May 24 2008 @ 9:07 pm
crazy story. we had to camp out in the raining. then my friend forgot his wallet had to rush home. got in the mall early only to be kicked out back into the cold rain. they after we almost got pulled over. but still got em
Mike said
am May 24 2008 @ 9:08 pm
^^
What are you talking about Fukhed. The carmines are the same materials as the OG and it needs to be like that, as far as 17 the nubuck is the smoothest and richest I’ve seen and apparently did the shoe a favor, so you are incorrect and shouldn’t be postin here when you need to be skooled like this. Damn!
sneak fiend said
am May 24 2008 @ 9:27 pm
just got these and the material is just BAD!!! Come on MJ don’t do us like that its $310 for these plus tax you can do better than the bullshit material you’re using please………….you really need to go retro school my dude the texture is awesome just like the o.g same material and because its reinforced theyll last longer guess you aint read the memo lol
G said
am May 24 2008 @ 10:49 pm
Yo FUCK FOOTLOCKER IN LANSING, MICHIGAN! I WAS FIRST IN LINE AND THEY’RE GONNA TELL ME THEY HAVE NO 12 OR 13 FUCK EM I GOT MINE FROM THE O ANYWAY BUT FUCK FOOTLOCKER IN LANSING MICHIGAN AND THE FAT ASS BITCH WHO WAS WORKIN
prolific said
am May 24 2008 @ 10:50 pm
did the 17’s come with the sticker/protector on the heel?
LIONHRT said
am May 24 2008 @ 10:56 pm
YOU CATS THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT GETTING THESE PACKS EARLY AND PAYING LESS THAN $310 ARE LIARS. STOP LYING YOU HYPEBEAST. STOP LYING. NOT ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, WILL SELL THE CDP BEFORE RELEASE DATES AND SELL THEM AT RETAIL. I DON’T CARE IF IT’S A DAY EARLY. PAID FOR MINE ON FRIDAY AND HAD THEM WAITING FOR ME ON SATURDAY. NO CAMPING OUT, NO WAITING ON LINE, NO TRYING TO JUMP SOMEONE, NO STEALING. ALL TRUE SNEAKERHEADS HAVE SOMEONE THAT THEY KNOW AT SOME RETAIL STORE. I HAD 3 STORES HOLDING THEM FOR ME. HYPEBEASTS, GET OUT OF HERE WITH THE LIES.
YAYO-HTOWN said
am May 25 2008 @ 12:17 am
Got mine on firday for 370 but very happy 17s are very nice da 6s are sick cant wait for da 16/7
jordan said
am May 25 2008 @ 12:32 am
got da last pack in my size!!!
soooooooooo relieved
btw they r beautiful!
HANDSOME said
am May 25 2008 @ 12:40 am
HARD !!!
Copped Mine 2dai…
For $240
PhilWil said
am May 25 2008 @ 4:04 am
Why no one talking about the 17’s? LMAO Yeah, this is one awesome pack. I didn’t buy it cause I want to stick to my budget, and now I feel like… dang, maybe I should have gotten them.
I can always get them at some sneaker function or on the interwebz but it will cost me around 600+.
I don’t mind though. I can’t wait for the White and red 23, the Fusion V white/red, and the 16 + 7 pack. That is 700 dollars right there. I just didn’t want to spend another 300 this year on Jordans…
But as I wrote before, I don’t mind paying 600+ sometime next year though. That might sound strange, but I have my reasons. LOL
DEADSTOCKUMSALLDAYLONG said
am May 25 2008 @ 8:04 am
philwil is a bumm hahahahahahahah……poor ass
squirt said
am May 25 2008 @ 9:12 am
def copped payed for mines friday then copped last nite b4 mall clozed mad nigga aint up on these like dat where im frm but def will b coppin 16/7 and olympic 6s and both fusion 5s damn june is a very good month if anyone got a size 9 for sale hit me up @ normane23@yahoo.com dnt b a bitch and try 2 resale for alot of dough…..
Bird313 said
am May 25 2008 @ 9:41 am
DEADSTOCKUMSALLDAYLONG’s mommy and daddy are rich and pay for all his shoes lol
OneMike said
am May 25 2008 @ 10:10 am
naw man philwil is smart…jordan is definitely making everybody’s pockets a little lighter this year. I give respect to any sneaker head that has the will power to hold off on a purchase or two.
Mz.imSOLEfli said
am May 25 2008 @ 10:32 am
No Offense to LionHrt
But u cam get th early at retell indeed it is very few and hard but possible. There is actually sneaker shop one of my friends owns down here in tx…he started sell the 2 weeks ago @retail…and got his Olympic 6’s last weeks and I’m picking mines up today at Retail…
Ne who
I copped mine from my local FL today…my homies stir didn’t get kids sizes so RD it was…
Like the 6’s but love the 17’s specially on small feet….
I’m A GIRL….not a Hypebeast….lol
-mz.imSOLEfli
chico said
am May 25 2008 @ 11:15 am
what about of texas mz.imsolefil? because i wanna get dem olympic 6’s…
djshi26 said
am May 25 2008 @ 11:17 am
NIGGAS NIGGAS I WORK FOR JORDAN BRAND N I GOT DA HARE 7-16 PACK PLUS THE 18-5 PACK AND THIS WEEK I WILL BE RECIEVING DA NEW BLACK/GOLD SPIZIKES!! YALL BETTA STEP YO GAME UP SON!!!
DEADSTOCKUMSALLDAYLONG said
am May 25 2008 @ 11:22 am
being rich run’s in the family……don’t hate…….hahahahahahahaha……poor ass
Steve so fresh said
am May 25 2008 @ 11:55 am
^^^^^^^^ Why lie? Nobody is going to praise you for it lmao
Chinua said
am May 25 2008 @ 12:43 pm
For the people that got their shoes did they have a midnight launch or you have to wait until the store opens.
Sneakerpimp23 said
am May 25 2008 @ 2:30 pm
Da 17/6 pack is fiyah but i might take em back 4 da 16/7 pack if dey hotter
J.hoang said
am May 25 2008 @ 2:30 pm
Say what you want but the 17s hold their own. I work at Finish Line and when i saw the pack for the first time about two weeks ago i cried and orgasmed at the same time, the carmines are straight fire.
sneakerhead said
am May 25 2008 @ 2:34 pm
yo am so mad!!!!!!! champs is the gayest store ever!!! i was the third person outside the mall at 2 in the morning and then when they finally opened the mall and champs i wasint able to get my right shoe size because gay as champs did reservations!!!!
whats the point real jordan heads camping out if some little kid with his dad is just gona go and reserve their shoes the day b4 and take your shoes!
datkidjig said
am May 25 2008 @ 3:03 pm
^i totally agree wit u man!!!
Mz.imSOLEfli said
am May 25 2008 @ 3:31 pm
^^^ y dont u just reserve urs the day b4…..there not actually ur shoes till u pay for em lol I kid
And chino in Dallas
yungin said
am May 25 2008 @ 3:46 pm
yo i got mines but the 17s are nice to they are better then i thought …. i went to 6 stores 2 malls… and finally God blessed me with the last 9.5
good lookin out
Headi said
am May 25 2008 @ 4:37 pm
Copped mine yesterday at Niketown. The carmines are straight fire. Didn’t really like the 17’s. Qualitywise they seem kinda cheap. But best package so far. Jordan Brand definately makes some good money these days off the sneakerheads.
the kid said
am May 25 2008 @ 6:08 pm
for the kids saying they went to a store only to find out they didnt even carry your size and are raving about it, its called “calling the store EARLY to find this shit out” lol dumbasses
Mz.imSOLEfli said
am May 25 2008 @ 6:56 pm
^^^mayb they called and the store lied…I ‘ve seen it happen b4
Mz.imSOLEfli said
am May 25 2008 @ 6:59 pm
To try and push another size on u that is
poop said
am May 25 2008 @ 7:24 pm
i didnt wake up early so i got mad…but i went to the mall at 12pm looked all over but i found them..:)…i got the last pair…scared niggers were gunna jump me…lol
prolific said
am May 25 2008 @ 8:02 pm
wow talk about a mission man.ive had 4 hrs sleep in the past 4 days.eastbay footlocker n footaction were acting funny as hell when i tried to order.then all of a sudden they sold out wtf.i bin runnin round jersey for the past 2 days tryna get these thing sold out everywhere.luckily i finally managed to get a pair.im very grateful cuz i was pissed.anyone who didnt get a pack n lives in north jersey i may know a place that is getting them in this week.so if your interested let me know.it is not a definate though,just trying to help
deerenegade said
am May 25 2008 @ 8:43 pm
150 bucks mufuckas I GOT IT FOR CHEAP SO YALLL mufuckas need to step they game up! 6’s are real SICK yall believe that
richdude108 said
am May 25 2008 @ 10:12 pm
fuck all of you guys.. i git them a week early and i got them for 365…… i have money and guys stop bragging about discounts you pussys
cw2022 said
am May 26 2008 @ 12:13 am
got mines. not really feelin them 17s but will rock em n e way. all packs r copped this year.. and all 23 mids this year. 334.01 each month, we get money
kicks collector said
am May 26 2008 @ 12:44 am
too damn hyped….
not that nice anyway just waitin for the jordan 1’s that will be coming out..(father’s day)
Poolcleaner said
am May 26 2008 @ 2:19 am
i make 400 a month and im 15 and i only work 2 days a week,cleaning pools so cw2022 u really really need 2 step ur game up or get a better job cuz u aint makin shit nigga!!!…..oh and i copped 1 week in advance….and for any1 who says u cant get shoes ahead of time i suggest u find a mom and pops shop and not a major retail like Footlocker or Champs and buy all ur shoes from there and eventually the owner will hook u up TRUST!!!!
Air jedi said
am May 26 2008 @ 9:48 am
Fuxk you a!! man i dont give a damn about i have it a week ago…bla bla bla get real man!!! i got mine on the 24 and what ? no line no RUSH!!!!! PR REPRESENT…
sneakerfee said
am May 26 2008 @ 11:49 am
this pack is mediocre the 17’s saved the pack for me because the 6’s look disgusting in my opinion.I do love my 17’s thought but i am tired of fat footed ass people complaining about the 17’s being to narrow.
for yall obese feeted fucks.
put your fat obese ass feet on a diet!
s.fee
Jom said
am May 26 2008 @ 1:45 pm
If anyone wants to buy my 17s in size 12 email me I am taking offers… huski422@yahoo.com
Jom said
am May 26 2008 @ 1:52 pm
If anyone wants to buy my 17s size 12 I am taking offers… email me huski422@yahoo.com
Jhack said
am May 26 2008 @ 2:11 pm
wheres the dude at that said he work for jordan brand?
JP QUINTOS said
am May 26 2008 @ 2:17 pm
I copped them but when i got home my fucking carmines were an size 8 and i bought a fucking size 8.5
Marquise Wright said
am May 26 2008 @ 3:33 pm
that stupidity on all of yall that are buying these shoes your just making MJ rich and yall just looking low class paying his mortages
J KING said
am May 26 2008 @ 4:23 pm
hey by the way how many packages are to come out i m still not sure because i m hearing that their might be 15 or something anyone know???
alfre1 said
am May 26 2008 @ 6:42 pm
^^ there’s only eleven….. im gonna try to get all of them 7 more to go!!!
EST1985II said
am May 27 2008 @ 7:25 am
I must say I will never wear my 6’s, they are too icy, the 17’s go hard and I don’t care what anyone says. Im usually a 11 or 11.5 but I got a size 12 which was perfect because the 17’s do fit a little snug no lie! No lines, no hassle these shits are the best. Looking forward the coppin the white/red 23’s this weekend!!
REALTALK said
am May 27 2008 @ 7:43 am
TO THOSE WHO REALLY HAVE THE PACK THATS WASSUP. BUT THE INTERNET IS A GOOD WAY FOR WHACK NIGGAZ TO HYPE THEMSELVES UP AND LIE. AND FROM MOST OF THE COMMENTS I READ, ALOT OF YOU NIGGAZ IS STRAIGHT LYING. LOL. I GOT MY PACK. 6′S IS OF COURSE THE BEST, AND THE 17′S IS SUPPER SEXY IN THEY OWN RIGHT. OR MAYBE THEY JUST LOOK SUPER SEXY WHEN I WEAR EM. I WANT TO GET THE OLYMPIC 6′S BUT I WOULD MUCH RATHER GET THE 16′S AND 7 PACK.
b jizzle said
am May 27 2008 @ 7:58 am
copped the dem hoes early sat mornin…went to disney a couple hours afterwards, had all the J-heads jockin…THEN on sunday wore the 6’s to Island of Adeventure and had even more jockers..this was a great MDW
datkidjig said
am May 27 2008 @ 1:55 pm
i dont know y people dont wear their sneakers.. what’s the point of buying them?… so u can make videos on youtube… talking about your sneakers or is it so that it can collect dust in your closet… and most people are gunna say its because thier gunna be worth alot of money in 8 years… i say if your relying on ya sneakers to make you money then you need to re organize your priorities. all i know is that imma wear all my sneaker because i enjoy how they look and in 8 years imma be makeing enough money not to have to rely on my sneaker
Air Jedi said
am May 28 2008 @ 7:57 pm
I agree with datkidjig 123% i got mine and i would wear them…to hot to stay on the closet…if you arre really a jordan head and collector…you would buy it again later….Looking foward to the 16/7 pack those “HARES” WOW!!!!! I would pass on the red 23…….got the black ones…
princeofthecity said
am May 29 2008 @ 10:55 am
not that it bothers me too much, but i can’t stand some of you braggadoshish people bragging about paying less than retail and getting them earlier than everyone else. SERIOUSLY, WHO CARES?
i waited at niketown in manhattan overnight because i wanted to make sure i got my size and everything, no stress. so i waited with my girlfriend and our dog in the beautiful weather, no rain, not too cold. and you know what, i was first in line and met up with some of the kids i met during the last release i went to, 10/13. and i had a good time, no stress.
thats a part of it, getting something that you really want, because you actually want it not for any other reason. so i paid retail, but waiting overnight a few nights out of the year is better than getting taxed on aftermarket sneakers that you just have to have. i have done that too, it feels better to pay retail.
congrats to all who got them, whether you are wearing them or not.
triz27 said
am May 29 2008 @ 7:55 pm
hey i live in philly and had three opportunites to cop these sneaks and was too lazy to do so so i lost out but i got those olympic 6’s and dey r ok but those carmines would have been flames if anyone in philly wants there jordans a week early just get at me tristambriley@yahoo.com by da way im definitely gettin those hare’s trust me
RealFresh said
am May 31 2008 @ 1:09 am
Most of these niggas probably got the fake packs.
Talkin bout pickin these up at a shop.
It’s only nike town and Online bitches.
I got the very last 8.5 online
Thank God.
RealFresh said
am May 31 2008 @ 1:11 am
Most of these niggas probably got the fake packs.
Talkin bout pickin these up at a shop.
It’s only nike town and Online bitches.
Most you hoes be tellin lies i agree wit REALTALK
I got the very last 8.5 online
Thank God.
karnell23 said
am June 5 2008 @ 12:12 am
Look this pack is crazy. The only thing I have to say is that the 17’s is raw. I just wish it was chrome like the og. But its just my opinion. But im really glad to see them again. The carmines are perfect!